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	<description>musings of Roy T. Fielding</description>
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		<title>By: Thoughts by Ted &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Sun was trying to do with Open Solaris</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts by Ted &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Sun was trying to do with Open Solaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was recently checking to see what, if any follow-up there had been from Sun&#8217;s ham-handed handling of the Open Solaris Trademark, and I ran across this very interesting comment from Jon Plocher&#8217;s Candidate Statement for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was recently checking to see what, if any follow-up there had been from Sun&#8217;s ham-handed handling of the Open Solaris Trademark, and I ran across this very interesting comment from Jon Plocher&#8217;s Candidate Statement for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Anderson&#8217;s ITWriting - Tech writing blog &#187; Sun&#8217;s OpenSolaris community fracas: not just a name thing</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Anderson&#8217;s ITWriting - Tech writing blog &#187; Sun&#8217;s OpenSolaris community fracas: not just a name thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I didn&#8217;t realise at the time that &#8220;not uniformly&#8221; included the resignation of such a prominent member of OpenSolaris - Fielding&#8217;s post is dated just after midnight on the previous evening. However, Green is correct in saying that many see the decision itself as sensible, which makes this whole fracas rather unnecessary. Fielding makes further comment here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I didn&#8217;t realise at the time that &#8220;not uniformly&#8221; included the resignation of such a prominent member of OpenSolaris &#8211; Fielding&#8217;s post is dated just after midnight on the previous evening. However, Green is correct in saying that many see the decision itself as sensible, which makes this whole fracas rather unnecessary. Fielding makes further comment here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Roy. Happy to have the opportunity to provide broader context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Roy. Happy to have the opportunity to provide broader context.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy T. Fielding</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy T. Fielding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, Stephen.  I have updated the article accordingly, since I see no reason to leave bad assumptions lying around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Stephen.  I have updated the article accordingly, since I see no reason to leave bad assumptions lying around.</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, understood. 

Sun does - as all of our clients do - have the right to directly refer the press to us for comment so the distinction is probably academic, but in this case the vendor did not point the reporter to me. 

Or at least I assume that&#039;s the case, because looking back in my Pidgin log from this morning, Chris&#039; inquiry began: &quot;Do you follow OpenSolaris? If so, did you see this [link to your resignation]&quot;. Either Chris or Sun should feel to correct the record if that is not in fact the case and I&#039;m reading too much into the text of the query, but my read is that I was contacted independent of the commercial relationship we at RedMonk have with Sun or other vendors peripherally involved in the debate.

As for being alerted to the resignation in the first place, I track the OpenSolaris Community as time permits, so I became aware of it shortly after it was posted. Per my opening in the piece that I authored, I would not have commented on it in the first place, but the volume of inquiry was such that it compelled a response. 

Anyhow, I appreciate the clarification. 

- sog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, understood. </p>
<p>Sun does &#8211; as all of our clients do &#8211; have the right to directly refer the press to us for comment so the distinction is probably academic, but in this case the vendor did not point the reporter to me. </p>
<p>Or at least I assume that&#8217;s the case, because looking back in my Pidgin log from this morning, Chris&#8217; inquiry began: &#8220;Do you follow OpenSolaris? If so, did you see this [link to your resignation]&#8220;. Either Chris or Sun should feel to correct the record if that is not in fact the case and I&#8217;m reading too much into the text of the query, but my read is that I was contacted independent of the commercial relationship we at RedMonk have with Sun or other vendors peripherally involved in the debate.</p>
<p>As for being alerted to the resignation in the first place, I track the OpenSolaris Community as time permits, so I became aware of it shortly after it was posted. Per my opening in the piece that I authored, I would not have commented on it in the first place, but the volume of inquiry was such that it compelled a response. </p>
<p>Anyhow, I appreciate the clarification. </p>
<p>- sog</p>
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		<title>By: Roy T. Fielding</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy T. Fielding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen,

Actually, by &quot;trotted out&quot;, I was referring to the quote you were associated with by the reporter in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/02/20/Web-pioneer-quits-OpenSolaris_1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IDG article&lt;/a&gt;. I took that to mean either Terri directed IDG to you as one of their favorite analysts (which you are whether you like the association or not), or that you were alerted to the &quot;pending news&quot; by the same sources.  My apologies if that was not the case, and feel free to correct me here if it isn&#039;t.  I didn&#039;t even know about your piece until much later, when I went to find a link for your name.

I certainly did not mean to imply that the piece you wrote, which I largely agree with, was paid for by Sun.  I wouldn&#039;t suspect that of anyone who is careful to disclaim their own client list.

....Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen,</p>
<p>Actually, by &#8220;trotted out&#8221;, I was referring to the quote you were associated with by the reporter in the <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/02/20/Web-pioneer-quits-OpenSolaris_1.html" rel="nofollow">IDG article</a>. I took that to mean either Terri directed IDG to you as one of their favorite analysts (which you are whether you like the association or not), or that you were alerted to the &#8220;pending news&#8221; by the same sources.  My apologies if that was not the case, and feel free to correct me here if it isn&#8217;t.  I didn&#8217;t even know about your piece until much later, when I went to find a link for your name.</p>
<p>I certainly did not mean to imply that the piece you wrote, which I largely agree with, was paid for by Sun.  I wouldn&#8217;t suspect that of anyone who is careful to disclaim their own client list.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Roy</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roy, 

Quick question: by using the words &quot;trotted out,&quot; I assume you&#039;re implying that Sun or Sun employees asked me - directly or indirectly - to author the piece in question. I just want to be sure that I have that correct before I respond further. 

And just for the record, I have no problem with the air quotes applied to the term &quot;industry analyst.&quot; We actively encourage our audience to be skeptical of folks in our line of work. 

Cheers,

- sog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roy, </p>
<p>Quick question: by using the words &#8220;trotted out,&#8221; I assume you&#8217;re implying that Sun or Sun employees asked me &#8211; directly or indirectly &#8211; to author the piece in question. I just want to be sure that I have that correct before I respond further. </p>
<p>And just for the record, I have no problem with the air quotes applied to the term &#8220;industry analyst.&#8221; We actively encourage our audience to be skeptical of folks in our line of work. </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>- sog</p>
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		<title>By: A Solution for Sun&#8217;s OS Community Problems &#171; Ian Skerrett</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>A Solution for Sun&#8217;s OS Community Problems &#171; Ian Skerrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in turmoil due to Sun&#8217;s decision over the use of the OpenSolaris trademark and the resulting resignation of Roy Fielding, a longtime Apache member who was trying to help the OpenSolaris community get started. Stephen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roy Fielding responds to the OpenSolaris &#8220;ripple&#8221; in his own words</title>
		<link>http://roy.gbiv.com/untangled/2008/watching-the-ripples#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Fielding responds to the OpenSolaris &#8220;ripple&#8221; in his own words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read any of the OpenSolaris/Roy Fielding news on any of the sites/blogs covering the news, you are obliged to also read Roy&#8217;s own explanation on his blog. I think many of my comments here are also in-line with Roy&#8217;s view. Now everyone can go [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read any of the OpenSolaris/Roy Fielding news on any of the sites/blogs covering the news, you are obliged to also read Roy&#8217;s own explanation on his blog. I think many of my comments here are also in-line with Roy&#8217;s view. Now everyone can go [...]</p>
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